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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 06:25 pm |
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Well, not on punt returns since Gresham got hurt on a tackle.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 06:52 pm |
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They've always had a mix of starters and backups. For instance, on the kickoff coverage team you'll see DB's, LB's, and maybe a fullback or two.
On punt coverage/protection, you see a mix of DB's, WR's, TE's, FB's and LB's.
So the backups will be on the special teams, too. There aren't many "untouchables" as far as the starters go, either. Roy Williams played on the kickoff coverage team AND the punt coverage team, just like Teddy Lehman. Derrick Strait, Curtis Lofton, Mark Clayton--most every all-american you can name under Bob has played on special teams.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 07:40 pm |
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I usually stay out of the discussions about tactics and stategy on this board because I don't have the expertise that a lot of other contributors have. However, I think I'll throw my two cents worth in here.
I have had the pleasure of calling several successful Texas high school coaches friends over a period of many years. Most of them are paranoid about at least two topics - pulling off to soon; and showing the coming opponents any more that is absolutely necessary. As fans, we may not like the play calling, but the game was over by the start of the second quarter, and I would bet that both Bob and Kevin were in agreement that we should just pull in our horns and show as little offense as possible to our future opposition.
Most coaches have been bitten by pulling off too soon, at some point in the past, and will stay with first string players way past the point that you or I would; because they still have nightmares about the time they lost a game because they played Mr. Nice Guy.
And by the way, our kicking game is terrible. I'm afraid a missed extra point will cost us a game at some point. And I'd vote for a deep onside kickoff on every kickoff.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 07:45 pm |
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Playing the starters on ST is a two headed monster when you consider the
possibility of getting your people hurt. Murray went down for the season on a kickoff last year and has not yet returned to full form. I cringed when I saw Greshams arm hanging coming off after a punt return tackle.
Which coach is handling the special teams?We really have not seen anything close to the 2000 level since that year. I agree this year is the worst of the era. It will cost a game somewhere along the way I have no doubt.
Anyone know what the real story is on the true freshman kid with the big leg? Last I heard the coaches were claiming that he was doing no better than our current kicker but it makes you wonder how he could drop off that far after doing it in HS.
PS- Didn't DiCarlo leave with one year of eligibility remaining?
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 08:07 pm |
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He did, Matt, but I think the time limit expired on him. Who it WOULD be nice to have is Hartley. Burning his redshirt in '04 did not work out and makes the coaches look like boneheads right about now.
Way is a good kicker, but he isn't getting his kickoffs much deeper than Moreland from what the coaches say. Remember that high schoolers kick off from the 40, not the 30.
Heck, it would be nice just have Pete Cuva back right about now...
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 08:17 pm |
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This is important....some of you, head to the soccer fields, and find a student who can walk on and kick the dang ball.
I have enuff to worry about. Right now, I have to worry about getting back in time to see any, I repeat any, of the ssaxet game. So I have my hands full.
One or three of you, drive around the fields around the campus and find a kicker...there is beer in this for you. Its promised to Sportsletter, but he's a homer and I am sure..... would see this as fitting.
You have 2 days .
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Posted: Mon Sep 29th, 2008 09:28 pm |
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| Excellent ,Kurt, but I am waiting to read your analysis of your after game hours. LOL
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 01:43 am |
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There's usually been a couple guys in the 2000s that were just special teams demons. Didn't matter if they were starters. A great example of a guy that was just a special team demon was Russell Dennison. He was never good enough to start at whatever position he was at but on special teams he almost always made the tackle. I don't remember anyone like that the last few years. Rocky and Roy were those guys on every play on defense and special teams so was Lehman.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 11:38 am |
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I would like to see the first couple of guys that get down there to the return man to hesitate to also make the return man hesitate, which would allow just enough time to get both sides of the field are covered as well as the middle by the kick coverage team.
It seems the first one or two guys that get down there whiff the tackle and every other Sooner just behind him converges on the ball carrier and then they overpursue in the process. While simply making the tackle would be nice that hasn't been happening as consistently it has been, so they need to change their approach on coverage.
I'm also not fond of the three steps and kick philosophy. It seems that in Moreland's case, it would be better to take some more steps back and get a better running start. It seems like he is trying to do kickoffs with field goal form and that doesn't work too well unless you have a really strong leg. He might be able to kick well next year, which is nothing new when transitioning from a freshman to a sophomore, but that doesn't address the problem the Sooners have right now.
I will feel better if we don't see a repeat occurrence in the Baylor, Texas and Kansas St. games. If it doesn't happen in the next three games, all will be well and fixed. Time well tell.
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Posted: Tue Sep 30th, 2008 03:18 pm |
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ClintA.Adams wrote: I would like to see the first couple of guys that get down there to the return man to hesitate to also make the return man hesitate, which would allow just enough time to get both sides of the field are covered as well as the middle by the kick coverage team.
It seems the first one or two guys that get down there whiff the tackle and every other Sooner just behind him converges on the ball carrier and then they overpursue in the process. While simply making the tackle would be nice that hasn't been happening as consistently it has been, so they need to change their approach on coverage.
At Carl Albert back in the day, the coaches always told us to "break down" to make the tackle on coverage teams. They were very clear that didn't mean stop, but slow down to get your feet under you and have proper form to go through the ballcarrier rather than BY the ballcarrier. It seems some of the players on the coverage team need to revisit that form. It's always better to funnel the carrier to your teammates than to whif going 100 mph.
Another thing I've noticed about the tackling with recent teams vs early 2000's teams is those guys would do anything to make the tackle. If they missed a solid tackle, they were still grabbing an ankle or something to at least try to slow the guy down. Now, it seems guys are going so hard for the pretty tackle that when they miss, it's a bad miss and doesn't even slow the carrier down.
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